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  • December 11, 2005

    My Advice To Dare Would Be...

              • Posted by m.david at December 11, 2005 11:24 PM
              • Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - XSLT 2.0 and Microsoft

                [UPDATE: Dare has taken a moment to clarify his point in making the post in the first place. Please see his comments below.]

                My advice to Oleg, if you want to see XSLT 2.0 in the .NET Framework then gather some like minded souls and build it yourself. Efforts like the MVP.XML library for the .NET Framework shows that there are a bunch of talented developers building cool enhancements to the basic XML story Microsoft provides in the .NET Framework.

                Hey Dare, we're way ahead of you buddy. But thanks for the advice...

                So the rest of you can understand why the effort is being put forth to enourage MS to directly support XSLT 2.0 as opposed to simply accept the fact that there are other alternatives is that a MS supported XSLT 2.0 product ensures that the support exists out of the box, and MS is taken the brunt of the support effort. As much time as we are person ally willing to put into these projects, there's no way on God's Green Earth we can personally attempt to support 10 million+ developers. Direct MS support also showcases the fact that MS is commited to a technology and encourages developers to use it. That's not to say that I personally fear (can't speak for Oleg, but I would tend to think he at least generally agrees) that if MS doesn't provide support that XSLT 2.0 will die a miserable death. It will live on, I can make that a personal guarantee. But that doesn't mean that EVERY effort shouldn't be made to encourage MS to provide direct support. As such, the encouragement will continue.

                Oh yeah, the advice to Dare...

                Pay attention.

                We're not idiots, we know how to play this game. We're not resting on our laurels and sitting around for MS to take action. If you're not going to both recognize and support our efforts, then get out of the way. Don't worry, we can handle it from here.

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            “If you’re not going to both recognize and support our efforts, then get out of the way.”

            Why do you think I blogged about it?

            Posted by: Dare Obasanjo at December 12, 2005 12:01 AM

            If that was your purpose for blogging about it, then my apologies. However you failed to mention anything about Saxon.NET or the XSLT 2.0-like features of nxslt 2.0, so its tough to know one way or another whether or not you were recognizing the existing efforts being put forth.

            I guess one way of going about “helping” is to point out the fact that we need to just continue forward and not worry too much about what MS is doing. I’ll give you that and its good advice, if this is in fact what you’re point is. But again, its tough to know this when theres no mention.

            Anyway, thanks for the comment. I’ll bring it to the surface as an update to this post.

            Posted by: M. David Peterson at December 12, 2005 12:38 AM

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